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Sunday, September 09, 2012

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larry kurtz

Hey, Ken: does the GOP pay you by the smoke or by the mirror? If the economy is flagging: blame the Senate earth haters' leader.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/09/bad-economy-blame-it-on-mitch-mcconnell-the-gop.html

Donald Pay

Welcome to Republican economics, where what's been obvious to most of us for decades is just beginning to turn some wheels in the slow-on-the-uptick conservative mind. Your problem is you focus on just the last four years. Start analyzing the wealth of data, and you'll find the middle class has been flat or declining over those years while the upper class has been syphoning off all the money.

larry kurtz

Obama: 309. Romney: 229.

http://election.princeton.edu/todays-electoral-vote-histogram/

Bill Fleming

On the chart, KB what are the values on the left all about?

Ken Blanchard

Donald: I can well understand why you want to ignore the last four years. I would only point out that 1985-2012 is more than four years.

Bill: I don't know!

Donald Pay

KB,

It's nice you criticize me regarding the chart you admit you don't know about. I did a little research, something you seem not to do much of, and found the following chart:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=line&s[1][id]=AHETPI&s[1][transformation]=ch1

This chart appears to be much like yours, except it seems to have the correct values. The chart shows the percent change from year to year of the earnings of production and non-supervisory workers. In case you don't know what that means, it is chart shows how much of an increase in earnings people have had from year to year. Earnings come from a number of places, but for this set of workers the biggest chunk of earnings would be calculated as:

(wages X hours) + (1.5 wages X overtime hours)+ (Unemployment Compensation)=Earnings

So, what the last four years of this chart shows is how the lower middle class has been hit hard by the Bush Recession. The correct numbers also show that these people's earnings haven't grown very fast no matter what year we are talking about. I guess it's something we liberals have been saying for decades, but that conservatives have a hard time understanding.

Bill Fleming

KB, good. I don't either. Thanks for the great answer. :^)

Donald Pay

Now, just to look at the data in a different way, KB, look at the actual dollars earned by these workers.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=line&s[1][id]=AHETPI&s[1][transformation]=ch1

What we see is that recessions tend to bend the curve of actual earnings a bit. People who are employed in this sector get smaller raises, but earnings continue to increase even through recessions.

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