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Sunday, June 10, 2012

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A.I.

One little problem with this post KB is like so many marriages, it ended in divorce...from reality. This from some factual Republicans:

"75% of the federal budget is Defense, Medicare and Social Security. Obama offered John Boehner a $4 trillion debt-reduction deal that would have raised the Medicare retirement age to 67-- an unprecidented proposal by any President, much less a supposedly "liberal" one.

The only reason why John Boehner wouldn't accept it is because Obama also proposed raising revenues. He proposed moderate tax increases for the richest people ever to walk the earth, who have benefitted most from living in our country. We're not talking the 90%, 70%, or even 50% marginal tax rates of previous decades. We're talking tax rates similar to what people paid during the Clinton years."

The rest is here: http://www.republicansforobama.org/node/9570

Of course that was not the only entry that came up when I Googled 'Obama on entitlement reform'. It's pretty well documented that he is willing to work with congress to reduce the deficit in the long term including by goring Democratic sacred cows.

Republican leadership in congress, meanwhile, says taxes and spending must be cut both in the long and short run and will not or can not compromise.

You missed this opportunity to accuse Obama of ignoring the advice of his own National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform but you know what, his proposals are one heck of a lot closer to theirs than anything Republicans are offering. And when Obama blames congress for not addressing our economic woes he is blaming exactly those at fault: Republicans.

Bill Fleming

I agree, A.I. It's time the GOP owned their part of this. Past time.

Donald Pay

The problem with Obama is he is too nice, too timid, too defensive, too technocratic and too bipartisan in his approach. It took him 2 years to figure out what the rest of us had realized by July 2009--the Republicans want middle class failure.

Obama needed to go Harry Truman on the Republicans early and often, go big with jobs programs and go big on health care. He needed to end the Bush tax insanity. What we got was someone who pushed and passed conservative Republican programs, rather than programs that would actually work.

The Republicans' whine about deficits is totally bogus, and not ever worth discussing. They caused them with their policies, the same policies they want to foist on the economy now. Even Romney, he of minimal understanding of the middle class, realizes how cuckoo these austerity people are. He admits austerity won't work in this economy, unless you want to drive the economy into a depression.

Stan Gibilisco

"The US is borrowing heavily and that means borrowing against its own future. The CBO recently warned us, once again, that the fiscal trajectory of the federal treasury is headed toward disaster. Borrowing heavily now to stimulate the economy means accelerating toward the precipice. It also increases the risk that global financial markets will lose confidence in their last, best hope. If that happens, the world financial system will collapse. What's a doctor to do?"

Implement a value-added tax (VAT), of course. Just like they have in Europe.

Politicians in both parties have been planning that for years. Once the public gets scared enough, they'll accept the VAT as the "least bad alternative" (which, in a perverse sense, it will in fact become).

For years, our doctors (I mean quacks) have been turning us all into addicts, delusional addicts who think they can get more for less.

The drug of last resort is a VAT, on top of (not instead of) all of the other taxes that the ordinary citizen pays.

It won't work. Stronger and stronger drugs don't cure addicts. Trust me on this one. When the VAT fails, we'll be like the patient stricken with flesh-eating bacteria and for whom the last antibiotic on the doctor's shelf has kicked the can of death right off the final cliff.

I have no clue what will happen then.


A.I.

It's hard to digest such cheeriness so early in the day Stan.

A.I.

I agree Donald, Obama has been too nice/timid. It's almost as though he is afraid of appearing "uppity" and if he did stand up to Republican BS, that's exactly what some of them would be calling him. I, for one, would enjoy watching that meme blow up in their faces.

Stan Gibilisco

A.I.:

Digestion and cheeriness ... that's what Diet Mountain Dew is for. My drug of choice. Guess I didn't have enough before I wrote that blant.

Ken Blanchard

Listen to you guys! It's all the Republicans fault. Well, I guess so. Not one of them voted for the President's last two budgets. Of course, not a single Democrat in either house voted for them.

Here I suggest a policy that addresses both sides of the stimulus/fiscal discipline debate and not one of you is the least bit interested. I have said before that Republicans are partly at fault. Sooner or later we are going to have to raise taxes. It is at least as clear that we are going to have to reduce spending. You guys will never consent to that, will you? So we know who is half the problem.

Stan Gibilisco

Ken:

My mind has a major bug in its software. It practically requires bulleted lists of items stated in concise terms. In addition, the underlying hardware (brain) contains outdated, exceedingly small-capacity memory chips (but they always work, given enough caffeine). My simplistic, hardened cranial platform has come up with the following proposal for dealing with our budget woes:

+ Adopt the original Simpson-Bowles plan.
+ Get rid of the Social Security tax cap.
+ Adjust the Social Security tax rate downward enough to scale back the additional revenue produced by the cap elimination by 50%.
+ Gradually raise the retirement age to 70, except for certain physically demanding jobs.
+ Institute some form of Social Security means testing for eligibility.
+ Roll back the Bush tax cuts over a five-year period.
+ Raise the marginal income-tax rate by 3 percentage points for people making over a million dollars a year.
+ Raise the marginal income-tax rate by an additional 2 percentage points for people making over ten million dollars a year.
+ Avoid a value-added tax or national sales tax in any form. In fact, enact an Amendment to the U.S. Constitution specifically outlawing such a tax.
+ Please forgive any overlap or redundancy in this list.

If you'll come at me with a list in a format like that, my brain, with its archaic memory chips, might be able to wrap itself around your plan ...

... if the visit of my 88-year-old parents (finally, after eight years here in Lead) doesn't cause a denial-of-attention attack.

A.I.

One problem with your bullet points Stan is they make S.S. much more of a welfare program. In a perfect world, that may make sense. In the real world, conservatives kill welfare programs.

You are confusing what you think I want with reality KB. Whether or not I favor reducing S.S. and Medicare benefits is moot, Obama made the offer in return for tax increase to ultimately reduce the deficit. You often accuse him of being spineless. Consider for a moment what that offer means to his standing among the Democratic base and you may want to reconsider that assessment.

Contrast that with the Grover-Norquist-pledged Republicans. Meet Obama half way?, 10% of the way?; hell no. Cut taxes, that is the sum total or their approach to government no matter what. And there is absolutely not one shred of past evidence that reducing tax revenue will lead them to reduce spending so just forget about all their disingenuous talk about deficits.

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