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Saturday, June 30, 2012

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Donald Pay

Nothing surprising here. You seem to want to continue fossil fuel socialism through socializing the costs of fossil fuels By the way, cap and trade is a market based approach, and a carbon tax is a way to incorporate externalities into the cost of fossil fuels. You oppose both of these anti-socialist measures.

duggersd

A couple of points. I do not believe most Americans and specifically Republicans object to Mexicans providing cheap labor because it is cheap labor. I believe it has more to do with people here (mostly Mexican) illegally and competing for jobs unfairly.
You point out the CO2 emissions have dropped in part due to regulations on fuel economy (CAFE standards). Much of the increase in fuel efficiency is due to lighter cars in which passengers are less likely to survive or at the minimum become injured due to accidents. So at what cost do we get those cuts in CO2 emissions? I know certain people haters do not see this as a problem.

Stan Gibilisco

Maybe we can think of the carbon tax as a sort of "sin tax." You know, tax stuff we do that's bad for us. We do it with booze, tobacco, and in some enlightened places with soda pop and trans fats.

Here's the rub: What happens if we completely stop producing carbon, stop drinking booze, stop smoking, stop guzzling fizzy sugar water and demised lipids ... no more tax revenue from those sources!

In a perverse sort of way, then, the government is motivated to make people generate more carbon byproducts (hyperventilate, everyone!), get drunk more, smoke more, drink more soda pop, eat more American Fries ... so as to get more tax dollars from us.

Seeing this problem, some exceedingly enlightened pundits have proposed a universal driving mileage tax. It would apply even to electric vehicles and hybrids, to make up from falling revenues from gasoline taxes.

In that way, dear readers, I might really think about getting that Doddge Ram instead of the rinky-dink electromobile next time I need good wheels. If I gotta pay however they slice it, I might as well drive something that'll get me where I want to go in style.

Oops. The Ram won't fit in my garage. A Jeep Wrangler, then. With a rag top and a roll bar.

So regulate away, you masters of humanity, regulate away, tax away, and we the people will react accordingly ...

larry kurtz

Since the Fourth World sees 'poor' differently than those pretending to live in so-called civilized society, greed in the US will die just as the earth haters become obsolete.

Ken and Barnes' elderly insular worlds are doomed by their own hands: being wasteful is just another feature of the entitlement associated with red state failure.

Go ahead, men: and thank you for paying my taxes for me.

larry kurtz

btw: Sioux Falls represents the chemical toilet in Agenda 21: thx Barnes.

duggersd

Stan, about that "mileage" tax..... I have thought about that too. Cars that sip gasoline or use no gasoline still provide wear and tear on the roads. Roads are something for the common good and I believe it is in the best interest of all citizens for roads to be maintained, even if not all citizens drive. I have wondered about the feasibility of converting from a tax on gasoline/diesel to paying a tax based upon miles driven/weight of vehicle. One of the reasons I like the gas tax is the fact that it goes more or less to the roads and the people who use the roads the most pay for them. That is much like the park sticker I get for the state parks. But since we now have vehicles who are essentially using the roads for free, it might make sense to have another way to collect this "use" tax.

Donald Pay

Stan, the carbon tax is meant to capture externalized costs, thus to offset the subsidies we all provide to high carbon fuels. Because production and use of fossil fuels causes damage to human health and the environment that are difficult to incorporate in the product price, a carbon tax generates revenue to pay for the mitigation of the externalized costs which are now either not mitigated, or mitigated at the expense of the general taxpayer. The result of a carbon tax would be to price fossil fuels more on the real costs of the product, although it might not capture all the externalized costs.

In the 1990s South Dakota imposed a tax on solid waste volume to generate revenue to encourage recycling and provide seed money for recycling projects and other solid waste management options designed to reduce landfill costs. Some legislators thought it odd that I would support a tax that would shrink over time if recycling was successful. But that was exactly the point. You want a tax that disappears when it is no longer needed.

larry kurtz

BC just raised its carbon and gasoline taxes:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/bc-to-raise-carbon-tax-price-of-gasoline-july-1/article4374532/?cmpid=rss1

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