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Friday, May 18, 2012

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larry kurtz

If your little missive wasn't so whiny it might read like capitulation to some of your detractors, Ken.

caheidelberger

"The American homeland is not blood or soil but parchment." America as a choicethat's one of your better lines, Ken!

caheidelberger

[sorry: I intended to put an em-dash between "choice" and "that's".]

Donald Pay

For not seeming to care much about racial or ethnic matters, you spend a lot of electrons repeatedly pointing out little factoids about what coservatives believe about Obama's and Warren's ethnicity. You seem to have an unnatural fascination with this matter, while claiming it doesn't matter. I hope you are right, but your constant harping about it makes me think differently. It kind of reminds me of the preacher who bangs the church secretary on Saturday night, then decries adultery on Sunday morning.

The "parchments" we are talking about were something that didn't apply to many if not a majority or people living in the country at the time they were written. "What it means to be an American has nothing to do with the color of your skin or what language your grandfather spoke or what gods he worshiped," you say. But that's a myth we almost believe. I want to believe that myth, too, but for many that has not been anything near their reality.

For most of our history right up until liberals (Republicans and Democrats) put an end to it in the 60s, race mattered, religion mattered, and language mattered. It took a lot of struggle to wipe legal racial and other barriers out of our society, and conservatives didn't help. In fact, they stood in the way. And today they want to roll things back to the way they used to be, when blacks couldn't vote, minorites could be harrassed and denied housing and jobs and someone with minority status could never lead this nation. That's why they scrutinize racial matters to the point of insanity. They want it back to the days when those parchments were written, and no one but whites with a particular religion and a particular ethnicity were citizens.

Ken Blanchard

Donald: I have little idea what your first paragraph is supposed to mean. When the left constantly accuses the right of racism, as you do here, it is hardly an "unnatural fascination" for my side to be concerned with the issue of race. When important figures on the left tell silly fibs about themselves, they have only themselves to blame for the attention they receive.

As for what it means to be an American, I stand by what Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr. thought about the matter. If you choose to disagree with the three of us, fine. I think that the history of these United States has been a story of the gradual realization of the principles inherent in the Declaration. At every step of the way, it has been a powerful move to argue that extending fairness, liberty, and the franchise, IS patriotism, that anything else is unamerican. That was the key to Lincoln's rhetoric and to King's rhetoric. Again, you are entitled to disagree.

However, when you say this "And today [conservatives] want to roll things back to the way they used to be, when blacks couldn't vote, minorites could be harrassed and denied housing and jobs and someone with minority status could never lead this nation. That's why they scrutinize racial matters to the point of insanity. They want it back to the days when those parchments were written, and no one but whites with a particular religion and a particular ethnicity were citizens", I reply that you are a liar and a bigot. Saying this is just as bad as saying that Barack Obama is a closet Muslim with a plan to impose Sharia law on America's kiddies. You are a left wing Archie Bunker.

Ken Blanchard

Cory: thanks.

Donald Pay

KB, you quote the Telegraph, who quotes Breitbart.com. Nothing says rightwing echochamber racism as much as Telegraph and Breitbart, both of whom have a long history promoting rightwing racism. Then you make it seem as if the mainstream press ignoring this issue is a "...lousy job of vetting Obama...."

Really? You think it's a non-issue, but you wanted more stories about it from the mainstream press, but since it wasn't covered in the mainstream press you're going to repeat ad naseum all the racist drivel and specualtion that comes from the echo-chamber just to prove what, exactly in your mind?

I'm not fooled. It proves you want to keep stirring the racial pot. Whether you are a racist or not, you'll have to figure that out, but you certainly understand the racist rightwing, and feed it what it wants.

Ken Blanchard

That's right, Donald. Everyone on the other side is corrupt and racist. There's no need for you to produce a shred of evidence for your accusations. In fact, there's no need for you to think about anything all. You're not very good at that, anyway.

Donald Pay

A lot of people claim they stood with Martin Luther King after all his struggles and his death, but stood in the way during his lifetime. You love the dream, KB, but lift not one finger to make it reality. Pathetic. It should not be lost on us today that King gave his life supporting unionized muniicipal workers in Memphis. You stand with Martin Luther King on that one, KB, or do you stand with present day race baiters and union haters?

lynn

The people who consistently raise the race issue are not the conservatives. The leftists are the ones trying to divide and conquer, and this is just one of the issues they are using.

Ken Blanchard

Donald: as Lincoln said, I stand with someone when I judge them to be right. I stand with Martin Luther King, Jr., on the principles of his great "I have a dream" speech. That does not require me to agree with him about everything.

Your constant reference to a "racist right wing" are just stereotyping, no more rational or respectable than racist stereotyping, unless you have some evidence to produce.

Luizao

I am still a work in progress Black Diaspora, I want to see black folks think caicitrlly and not monolithically, I want us to rise up from the bottom of almost ever demographic. Unfortunately, I think our focus misplaced as a people.I respect your positions and your candor. Thanks for sharing them with me.I believe that you're also sincere in your wish to have blacks improve their lot in life.In that we're in agreement.As I write this, Barack Obama has already been elected President Elect.The Dems don't give a hoot about our schools, crime, poverty or any of the social blights of Black people they just use us to garner votes and I will not comply.National party politics--that is, politics at the congressional and presidential levels--can only legislate mandated directions, and perhaps fund some of those mandates. Take the No Child Left Behind law. According to some teachers, it is a good law (not all agree, of course). The problem with it, I'm told, is that it was underfunded, or not funded at all.My point: improving schools, ending poverty, and crime, are almost exclusively local problems that require local solutions.I would like to see a local confluence of resources--people and money--to strive toward a resolution of these seemingly perennial problems.If there's a role for the federal government in this effort, then it should participate. Otherwise it should leave the task to those closest to the problem.McCain's motto was Country First. A better motto would have been People First.Country and people are not always synonymous.We need solid solutions to these problems with the awareness that people (educated and working) are our greatest resource, and We the People should act accordingly.Black bloggers--conservative and liberal--can be powerful weapons in our communities to change them for the better.What we need are strong, viable coalitions dedicated to the betterment of our various black communities.That will be my goal during this next administration and beyond.

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