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Sunday, April 22, 2012

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Bill Fleming

New on my reading List. "Power, Inc." by David Rothkopf. We seem more and more inclined to ignore the warnings of the forefathers that too much concentration of power in the hands of too few people will lead to the undoing of our democracy. Now... were they talking about corporations? Or government? I'm starting to think it might be kind of a "rock-paper-scissors" game. But this reviewer seems to think the game has already been won. By the corporations.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roy-ulrich/david-rothkopf-power-inc_b_1389955.html

larry kurtz

No time like the present to convene a constitutional convention:

http://interested-party.blogspot.com/2012/04/krcc-is-radio-colorado-college-one-of.html

Donald Pay

I'm more than a bit skeptical of the chart you show. What you've got in 2002 are government institutions riding the wave of post-911 unity. That presents an artifical high. Over a greater time span the numbers for the Presidency fluctuate with the public's perception of foreign and domestic affairs. The big hit in the Presidential numbers comes right after Bush was reelected in 2004. It went up when Obama was elected and has eroded as jobs didn't return. Numbers for Congress are usually lower than the Presidency, and have been eroding since the 70s. The numbers for religion in your chart don't account for a large drop that occurred as religion became more politically focused in the late 70s.

I think the skepticism about institutions, particularly large ones, is healthy in a democracy. It's a sign that people are paying attention.

Stan Gibilisco

Donald says:

"The big hit in the Presidential numbers comes right after Bush was reelected in 2004. It went up when Obama was elected and has eroded as jobs didn't return."

+ How do you know that? The chart tells us nothing about the timing.

"I think the skepticism about institutions, particularly large ones, is healthy in a democracy. It's a sign that people are paying attention."

+ I agree completely. That, in part, is driving me ever closer to the Libertarian Party. But before they win me over altogether, the LP must learn that large private, as well as public, institutions can abuse their power.


Donald Pay

I checked the historic data at Gallup. Anytime there are data points skipped you can never be sure that the trend you're seeing is real. In the case presented above, it's just not a fair reflection of the Gallup polling over the years.

Stan Gibilisco

You know, Donald, I first began to get really scared of the Bush Administration's attitude right around the time you say -- maybe 2004 to 2006. He seemed bent on the idea of privatizing Social Security, putting more and more of a stake into the stock market. Can you imagine what would have happened had he gotten his way? (I'll bet you can!)

I am 58 years old. I am right in the middle of the Baby Boomer generation. When I reach age 65 to 70, I'll be riding the crest of a gigantic wave of fellow baby-boomers. Whoever thinks we're just going to quietly lay down and die has another thing coming.

Unfortunately, I suspect that the politicians will keep putting off the time of reckoning until things get so bad, or until they can convince the American people that things have gotten so bad, that a majority will accept a brand new value-added tax (VAT) as the "least bad alternative" to "solve the problem." That will put the greatest burden on the poor (working or not!) because it will in effect tax them at the highest percentage of disposable income.

I have a funny feeling that more than a few politicians know all this, and they really want that VAT. Then when they get it, they'll somehow forget that it was supposed to save Social Security and Medicare; they'll just toss it into the general fund and we'll have an even worse oligarchy than we have now. And, just as giving an alcoholic the keys to the liquor store might temporarily relieve the withdrawal symptoms, in the end it will only kill the patient faster.

Makes me pine for the Clinton years when, as Garrison Keillor said, "we had a surplus and everybody liked us." An oversimplification, maybe, but what a line for Hillary to use in 2016!

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