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Wednesday, September 21, 2011


Bill Fleming

Amen, KB. Good essay.

You could as easily have framed Clinton as someone who advanced the cause pragmatically, given public sentiment on the issue in those times. You could have observed that like so many things in law and politics, the issue was not yet "ripe." And you could have drawn some contemporary parallels to illustrate your point, thus encouraging your audience to meditate on where they want to take our country ethically on similarly ripening issues in the future.

But I realize that you are both partisan and busy.

And so, once again, good post.

You got it almost exactly right.



Good post and funny WWII joke. I hadn't heard that one before. :)

Bob Ellis

If you have yet to hear a good reason why homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in the American military, then you haven't had your eyes, ears or mind open, because those reasons are legion, and they have been discussed exhaustively at Dakota Voice.

I like how you said that our military personnel who have a strong moral compass "will have to get over it." Soldiers who understand morality, safety, and practicality will just "have to get over" those encumberances.

Moral people will have to bend to the desires of the immoral. Just try to imagine for a few minutes how long a society will last (let alone remain great) when it develops a standard practice where the moral must bend to the desires of the immoral to keep them from feeling bad about their behavior.

You've at least put the issue into very clear terms.


Why can't they have gay people in the army? Personally, I think they are just afraid of a thousand guys with M16s going, "Who'd you call a faggot?"

~John Stewart

Billl Fleming

So Ellis, as usual, comes on, wags his finger, runs his mouth, and storms off in a huff without ever saying anything. So tedious.

Donald Pay

No one can go to Dakota Voice and not think it's a parody. "Bend Over Bob" Ellis writes this hilarious line about gays in the military: "Moral people will have to bend to the desires of the immoral." Bend Over Bob is South Dakota's Steve Colbert.

Billl Fleming

Brokeback Bob. Because sometimes a man IS a mountin'.


Something KB and I agree on.

Ken Blanchard

Bob: the obvious problem here is over "the moral". As Thomas Aquinas pointed out, some moral principles are evident to reason alone. "Thou shalt not steal" is an example. Some more principles are evident only in the light of revelation. "Remember the Sabbath" is an example. In a republic, only the former can be the basis of law.

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