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Sunday, August 21, 2011

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Donald Pay

You might want to actually educate yourself on various green energy sources. You are very out of touch with reality.

My electricity provider has found wind to be extremely important, and is increasing its wind portfolio yearly. You seem to be arguing against the market, and against conservation. That's what the big fossil fuel industry has been doing for years, and it has gotten us hooked on sources of energy that pollute (another way of saying "socializing the cost of production"). Pretty dumb, especially when you have alternatives.

The link will take you to Alliant Energy's wind page, but from there you can get to a lot of different pages on alternative energy and energy conservation.

http://www.alliantenergy.com/Environmental/RenewableAlternativeEnergy/014405


Many of energy efficiency (green) jobs can't be specifically assigned to "green energy" because many are simply common sense improvements done when a person upgrades certain equipment or insulation. These jobs are integrated into the economy.

Ken Blanchard

Donald: I give you the New York Times. You give me a corporate webpage. you are entirely immune to the evidence.

duggersd

Donald, I perused your link. I was looking rather quickly, so I may have missed it. Can you point out to me where Alliant Energy does not take any subsidies to pay for wind generation? I know they said the fuel is free, but I am under the impression wind turbines only make economic sense if they receive a subsidy.

Stavros Apartmani

A picture is worth a thousand words. What the heck?!

Stavros Apartmani

A picture is worth a thousand words. What the heck?!

Donald Pay

Republicans are foolish. They search high and low for any smidgeon of problem in the green economy, yet when we have leak after leak and nuclear power plants and oil and natural gas facilities, they are blind.for green jobs. Some states put their efforts in one area, others go into a different area. The idea that all the green jobs in the country are supposed to be concentrated forever in Silicon Valley is kooky/ The whole idea is for green economy to spread. If one area (Silicon Valley) is losing some green jobs, that's because there are places where green jobs are increasing.

Also, some of the green jobs are leaving for China, because the Republicans are hostile to innovation, and have created uncertainty. Here in Wisconsin Governor Walker has killed many green jobs in order to pay off his Koch Brother funders.

Many states have completed their weatherization programs and are seeking more money. Of course states that turned up their noses at certain stimulus funding and/or failed to put programs in place ended up creating few jobs didn't create those jobs. Other states utilized the funding, and want more.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/41026--ohio-weatherization-jobs-to-be-cut-as-funding-ends

Republicans have proved themselves to be job killers, not job creators.

Miranda

It is interesting that nearly every issue that the left and right disagree upon has been made into a "moral" issue. The Tea Party's opposition to raising the debt ceiling led many on the left to compare the party to terrorists. Disagreement on climate change has led some to call for Nuremberg style trials for "deniers." Now, having a different approach to economics is also becoming sinful. Can a Republican or a conservative disagree with the left on any issue without charges of moral misconduct or is having an opposing view a sin in itself?

George Mason

Donald opposes corporations but is all in favor of corporate welfare.

George Mason

Donald opposes corporations but is all in favor of corporate welfare.

duggersd

Speaking of weatherizing homes....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2764634/posts
$20 million to weatherize 3 homes? Now that is an efficient use of tax dollars, huh?

Donald Pay

Freerepublic? God.

duggersd

Free Republic got it from a Seattle newspaper. I was not sure about the link, but they said the same thing. Here is another. http://www.runboard.com/bestboardonthenet.p194100 Are you disputing it? But if true, you would agree it is a waste, right?

Donald Pay

I think what you've got in Seattle is a local entity that was a little slow on the uptick. The cause of the problem in Seattle was not having homes lined up for weatherizationm so it got off to a slow start. You seem to want to focus on the bad stories, but Ohio and Wisconsin seem to have had no problem finding homes to weatherize, partly because this is just an add on to a popular and well-known programs. In Wisconsin, utilities and social service agencies actively recruit homes for the program. You'll never see freerepublic writing anything positive.

Ken Blanchard

Donald: the question is not whether some of the green policies sort of worked some of the time, nor whether they are good policies or not. The question is whether they were likely to or in fact did create jobs in any significant numbers. They weren't and they didn't. The New York Times can see this, for heaven's sake.

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