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Tuesday, May 24, 2011

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Donald Pay

You're so busy building to your pre-ordained conclusion ("The President has no idea what he is saying.") that you don't seem to realize that it's you who has no idea what you are saying. About the only thing you get right is this: "There is no one among the Palestinian factions who is willing and/or able to make such a deal." Now add to that the fact that the current Israeli leadership is extremist and will not engage in meaningful negotiations. Obama is not really talking to the current leadership of either side in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute. As in his Cairo speech, he's talking to the broader population in the Middle East. Sorry you missed the context.

George Mason

Donald old boy; some of us have known since 2008 that Obama has no idea what he is saying. The empty suit bemomes more empty with every passing day. his only salvation is the slavish devotion of the big media outlets.

Bill Fleming

The larger point is to have each side recognize the other's legitimacy as a sovereign nation. I think that's a good idea, don't you, Ken?

Guard

Ah George,

Once again underestimating our President with every foolish thing you say. lol

Guard

And yes Bill,

Both sides need to recognize the other for Heaven's Sake (no pun intended) lol.

Ken Blanchard

Yes, Bill, and that is more or less the point. There is no reasonable possibility that the Palestinians will recognize Israel's right to exist.

Jon S.

The root of this conflict is simple, but also deeply ensconced. The Israeli's think the cessation of terrorism and the recognition of its right to exist is a precondition to further negotiations regarding a Palestinian state. The Palestinians say that the creation of a Palestinian state is a precondition to ending terrorism. This is a difficult nut to crack. As the President said at AIPAC, no one can be expected to negotiate with an organization (Hamas) that does not even recognize one's right to exist.

larry kurtz

The Ahmadinejad Doctine resounds clearly: "Elsewhere in his remarks, Ahmadinejad expressed hope that a new Middle East would emerge without the presence of the occupiers, including the Zionist regime." http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=241345

The two words that President Obama has heard that Fuckinyahu has not: EMP weapon.

Jimi

Oh For Christ's Sake Larry!

Back away from the Cliff.....I'm sure you'll find somebody on this planet that will love you......have you thought about switching teams? Don't be so afraid of the female form, they are typically gentle and they smell good.

larry kurtz

What? Who would Hey Zeus assassinate, Ahmadinejad or What-the-fuck-who? Both have big enough dossiers for the .308 Solution. C'mon Mr. President, order the hits.

duggersd

It seems to me that Netanyahu has made it clear that Israel is willing to give up some of its land for the Palestinians. However, the leader of the Palestinians has made it clear that unless Israel gives up everything they gained after the 1967 wars, there is nothing to negotiate. Not only is it difficult to negotiate with someone who does not even recognize your right to exist, but it is also difficult to negotiate with someone who has no interest in negotiations. Some time ago, Arafat had about 90% of everything he wanted and backed out because then there would be nothing to fight over. So, Bill, Israel is willing to recognize Palestine as a sovereign nation, but Palestine is not willing to recognize Israel's right to even exist. So what would you have them do?

larry kurtz

Or Kashmir not recognize India, or Southern Sudan listen to the marauding christians and not recognize Sudan, or Kurdistan not recognize Iraq, or the Minneconjou band not recognize South Dakota? Israel should cease to exist. Support the Ahmadinejad Doctrine.

Guard

It's called "CHAOS" folks! Chaos breeds confusion. So much confusion, no one has a #@!% clue what the hell is really going on. It continues to successfully keep you all distracted. LOL

Ken Blanchard

Larry: if you wish to endorse genocide here, that is your business. I will ask you to avoid schoolyard profanity.

Ken Blanchard

Donald: if Obama is talking to the "broader population," and not at all to the two sides in the conflict, that would explain a lot. Forgive me for thinking that Obama was serious.

Donald Pay

Obama is serious, but you're not quite up to the task of analyzing his speech. You, following in lock step with the lame stream media, pick out a few phrases to criticize out of context. Read the whole speech, put it in context of the "Arab spring" and Bush's failed push for democracy through the bullet. I know, I know. When you do that you become a serious person, and you wouldn't want that.

Billl Fleming

t would seem to me, Ken, that it would behoove both sides (and you) to have a little respect for Obama's ability to broker peace in the middle east. he holds all the cards. He can aggressively pursue a peace agenda, or he can throw up his hands (as it seems you and duggerSD are suggesting) say to he'll with it and walk away from the table. Which is it?

I see Natanyahu is walking his bullshit back a little, as you point out, and yes, I think that's a step in the right direction. Now if Obama can just get the support of his own countrymen, that would be ever so refreshing.

larry kurtz

The endorsement is for regicide. Israel should go back to 1947 borders. Genocide is what South Dakota is doing to the Nine Tribes.

Jimi

"have a little respect for Obama's ability to broker peace in the middle east."

LOL!

Guard

Ben and Barry are doing a great job. Kudos to them on the Mideast Peace Plan.

duggersd

Bill, I am not throwing up my hands, but I do live in the real world. You fail to answer what you think they should do when the other side does not even recognize Israel's right to exist. And Obama does not hold all of the cards. The Palestinians hold wild cards as do the Iranians. The Palestinians can continue to launch attacks with missiles from across the borders. The Iranians are not against supporting the Palestinians. And with the cards Obama does hold, he certainly tends to misplay them. The middle east has been a major thorn in the side for Presidents ever since Truman and when one side does not want peace, it is difficult to broker it. Except for maybe The One.
I know, I know. Obama is a genius and those of us who can read and hear do not understand what it is he is saying when he says the things he does. I guess in this case, we are in the same boat as many Senate Democrats who are adding their votes to a rebuke to the President http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/163105-dems-may-join-rebuff-of-obama.

Bill Fleming

Talk to me right after the UN recognizes Palestine in a few months, DuggerSD.

Jimi

"right after the UN recognizes Palestine"

How is that a good thing for America, Isreal, or Obama. That clearly is a Lose-Lose situation and history will show Obama either as a fool, or Isreal's worst enemy.

It accomplishes nothing!

Bill Fleming

GOP and Jimi against the world? Hey, Jimi, do you know how to do any relaxation, meditation, or deep breathing exercises? I'm afraid you're going to hurt yourself one of these days buddy. Just sayin'. Peace, brother.

Guard

Bill is right, Jimmi. You need to relax because these matters are actually beyond your control.

Jimi

I must call out Idiocy when I see it! You two have to be exposed to prevent anyone else from taking you seriously.....your comments are dangerous to people who are actually trying to learn something.

larry kurtz

Have you seen this, Meidinger? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yQunhOaU0

We have met the enemy and he is GOP.

duggersd

What does the UN have to do with recognizing the right for Israel to exist? There is no Palestine until they and Israel come to some sort of agreement. Palestinians, such as they are, are doing their best to kill Israelis. Israel has said they are willing to recognize Palestine. Palestine just shoots more rockets. So talk to me when Palestinians grow up and agree to quit killing Israelis and be allowed to have a country. I can tell you, if someone who wanted to kill me wanted to live next door, I would do my best to keep that person from living next to me. But of course you would tell that person to go ahead and move in. And then you will be surprised when that person throws a bomb into your house.

Ken Blanchard

Bill: I have no reason to expect anything from "Obama's ability to broker peace in the middle east". I am not sure that any President has such an ability. I am quite sure that Obama doesn't. I have no idea what you mean when you say that he holds all the cards.

Likewise for the U.N. If, as you say, they "recognize" a Palestinian state, that will only prove their lack of seriousness. Diplomatic recognition is necessarily directed at some governing body. Who would that be? Hamas? The Palestinian Authority? There is no governing body among the Palestinians that is at present able to receive such a blessing.

Billl Fleming

KB, perhaps I'm using too many metaphors. Mut be the poet in me. let's try this. Obama holds all the cards = Sll the carrots and all the sticks. Surely Netanyahu gets this on those rare moments when he gets off his high horse and comes to terms with the fact that without active US support his goose is cooked. Likewise, the Palestinians have to be looking at the way Omama has handled Egypt, Tripoli, Libya and Pakistan and the recent demise of Osama Bin Laden with equal parts respect and trepidation.

So yeah, maybe 'cards' is the wrong metaphor. Maybe for once, all the cards are on the table, face up as far as American involvement is concerned.

as to whether there is anything to recognize vis a vis a Palestinian state, Netanyahu says there is. Did you forget that that was your original point?

Billl Fleming

p.s. Ken, do you have a spare Valium for Jimi?

Billl Fleming

...sorry about the typos. This iPad likes the cap 's' better than the 'a' apparently. it's also a chronic letter skipper. I hate to pound on the poor little thing. But sometimes, it just comes to that, I guess.

Billl Fleming

...now, Jimi, an astute follower of the Middle East ongoing 'crisis' would have surely by now read Trita Parsi's 'Treacherous Alliance.' Surely Mr. Obama has. My suggestion is that you do to. And KB? Have you read it? I have to wonder sometimes whether you are really looking for the truth here, or are simply posturing for the GOP du jour.

Ken Blanchard

Bill: bringing some kind of Palestinian state into being is one thing. Recognizing one right now is quite another.

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