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Sunday, March 27, 2011

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larry kurtz

Sounds like you don't believe Loewen either, Ken: "The only way to preserve slavery was to escape the Union."

I would just add:

"During the period of 1861 to 1865, Native Americans all over the continent were struggling for autonomy, as peoples with their own organization, culture, and life-style. Some tribes, like the Cherokees, were directly involved in the war. Other Native Americans living in the war-torn areas of the East made individual decisions as to whether they wished to have anything to do with the situation. Still others, living in the mountains, prairies, and deserts of the rest of the country, suddenly realized they had a chance to take back some of their own land, as they saw fewer and fewer U.S. Army soldiers assigned to forts in their tribal areas. Statistics show that just under 3,600 Native Americans served in the Union Army during the war."

http://www.civilwarhome.com/nativeamericans.htm

donCoyote

I find it more than ironic that James Loewen who made his reputation in historical circles with his book "Lies My Teacher Told Me" engages in a lie of omission by totally ignoring the debate surrounding, the campaigning done by Lincoln in favor of and the ultimate passage of the Morrill Tariff of 1861. While not the sole reason for the Civil War, neither was slavery and it is too important to totally ignore as Loewen does. All in all a pretty disappointing article by Loewen. I'd give it no more than a C.

Jon S.

donCoyote,

It is worth noting that the Morrill Tariff became law two days BEFORE Lincoln was inaugurated. That doesn't mean that Lincoln did not support a higher tariff (he did), but the passage of that law had nothing to do with Lincoln's support. Seven states had already seceded by the time the tariff law was passed. The loss of anti-tariff members from seceded states guaranteed its passage. Ken is certainly right that it was slavery and the perceived threat Lincoln posed to slavery that caused secession.

Ken Blanchard

Larry: Loewen was arguing that slavery was economically viable. The view that it was not is a load-bearing strut in the "unnecessary war" thesis. I am arguing that slavery was not politically viable in the long run if the slave-holding states had remained peaceably within the Union, or at least that that is what theS Southerners believed. There is no contradiction between Loewen's point and mine.

larry kurtz

Ok. Rationale for a white guy fleeing Arkansas for whiter pastures works for me.

Jamey

Ok, IF South was fighting for slavery, what was north fighting for? Union? Is that how you yanks think "union" is kept? Do you also beat your wives into submission to hold together your "union?" If Lincoln has not sent out for invasion force to invade lower South, upper South would not have seceded. Virginia actaully voted AGAINST secession in early April - only changing AFTER Lincolbs call for invasion! As did NC, AR, tc, etc - alvery is not mentioned in their secession documents!

Ken Blanchard

Jamey: I was born and bred in Jonesboro, Arkansas, so I am no damn Yank. But yes, the Union was in fact kept the way you say. After the extinction of slavery, the threat to Union disappeared. And yes, some slave states did not mention slavery in their documents and some slave states did not secede. But only slave states seceded.

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