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Saturday, March 26, 2011

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George Mason

When I was in school there was a school a ways down the road that had the 60:40 Gals:guys ratio. We didn't call it a girls school, we called it weekend road trip.

larry kurtz

Any finding that uses the words "girls" and "boys" to describe women and men is highly suspect making your entire premise flawed. Maybe you could provide data that shows how much public funding these institutions receive so I could be as indignant as you seem to be, Ken.

Ken Blanchard

Why do you need data, Larry, when you can determine truth by determining the political correctness of the language? Anyway, as I made clear, the data is not forthcoming because the institutions hide it and the Civil Rights Commission refuses to compile it. To those who do not believe that the words "boys" and "girls" are all one needs to see, hiding the data is a clue to what is in it.

Donald Pay

I think it has more to do with the earning power of males versus females after graduation and the amount that future endowments and construction projects a school can look forward to. Women may be far superior academically and otherwise coming out of high school, but it seems males gravitate to academic fields that have greater cache, higher earning power, and a well-developed good old boy network. Thus, male earning potential upon graduation is higher, and that lasts through a lifetime.

Ken Blanchard

George: apparently, the admissions people down the road had your number.

Donald: I admit that something like what you suggest crossed my mind. That is not the story that Ferguson tells, but it surely would help explain the phenomena.

I note that if you are right, it makes the discriminating institutions look much worse. Ferguson's explanation is at least compatible with the idea that they are looking out for their female students. In your explanation, they are discriminating against women out of simple greed.

Miranda

Mr. Kurtz: Have you considered taking this issue up with The LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0327-state-girls-basketball-20110327,0,3648176.story), ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/preps/post/_/id/7759/state-basketball-div-iii-girls-st-joseph-53-bishop-odowd-42), The Chicago Sun Times (http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/sports/4495297-419/beacon-news-2010-11-all-area-girls-basketball-team.html) or the countless other media outlets that use the same terms?

I think you ought to consider starting an e-mail campaign immediately, since obviously, referring to students (who are still, by and large, supported by their parents) as "boys" and "girls" is a greater issue than allegations of widespread sex-discrimination.

Ken Blanchard

Thanks Miranda!

larry kurtz

When is the word "kids" appropriate to describe human children, Ms. Flint?

duggersd

Statistics are interesting things. For example we see a statistic that 40% of boys/men are admitted to W & I while only 26% of girls/women are admitted. How many actually applied? If 2000 boys/men applied and 5000 girls/women applied the reason for the skewed admission rate becomes a little more clear. Nationally more women are applying to go to universities and colleges than men. A better question is why? I sort of wonder if it has to do with all of the political correctness and the guys are just opting for something and someplace they can be more comfortable.

Miranda

Any time, as far as I'm concerned, Mr. Kurtz. If you ask a college student if she was more troubled by being called a "kid" or by being denied admission to a college because of her sex, what do you suppose her answer would be? Which do you think would harm her more? Will being called a "kid" by a blogger or journalist hurt her chances of finding a high-paying job later? Probably not. Will being kept out of a college she was well qualified for? It very well might.

So I think that getting into a huff about words that aren't meant to be offensive and probably aren't offensive to the majority of college students, while ignoring a more serious issue that could affect some students for the rest of their lives is a bit silly.

But IF we decide that calling people things that MIGHT offend them is more serious than killing their chances of finding a good job in the future, then I must ask you to stop calling me the loathsome term "Ms." Miranda is just fine. "Mrs." works if you prefer to be formal.

Donald Pay

Why keep males around college at all? This is like a questions that evolutionary biologists deal with---why keep males around?

In the academic context, given that society pays men more, it makes some sense for females to not put up a fuss about admissions. If males actually do donate more resources to higher education, those resources are used predominately by women, who make up nearly 60 percent of most college student bodies. Thus it pays for females to keep a certain number of dumber males around, because the society values dumb males over smart females. You have to have a certain number of dumb males to make and donate the money, so that smart females get the education.

Miranda

"This is like a questions that evolutionary biologists deal with---why keep males around?"

Because watching The Godmother just wouldn't be the same thing!

On a more serious note, though, what is wrong with just basing college admissions off of merit?

Ken Blanchard

Somebody should really try to do "The Godmother"! Meanwhile, a truly merit based system would be beautiful, but like unicorns, probably impossible. The instinct to carve out a privilege is just too powerful.

Miranda

Maybe so, but perhaps if colleges had the same sort of incentives for hiring students based on merit that they have for affirmative action it would work. Then again, it might be like trying to tape a horn to a horse.

Jimi

"what is wrong with just basing college admissions off of merit?"

As Jack once said, "You can't handle the truth!"

Of course that statement not really focused at Miranda.....but there is quite a few people who comment here, that are just not going to accept the reality of the answer to that question, and for me to honestly comment on it would be just creating a food fight!

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