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Saturday, January 01, 2011

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William McPherson

I'm confused about your views. Do you favor or disfavor EPA regulations, cap and trade, or any other policy?

It may be true that controlling pollution will cost money in the short run, and alienate voters, but in the long run it will save money. The job of leadership, including the incoming Republican members of Congress, is to make that clear to the voters. It should be obvious to all that our current energy policies are destructive not only to the environment but to American military and economic security. This point has been confirmed by many studies, including CIA and Defense Department reports. Congress must address this rather than playing games with climate change.

Donald Pay

Yeah, this post is very confused. It's quite obvious, as you state, that you are "...not quite sure what it means to 'protect the nation's air.'" Everything else said here seems to flow from your obvious ignorance about air quality regulation.

Regulation of air quality has been a part of US law since 1955, and have been updated through amendments and regulations since then. Before these laws, several particularly bad pollution events killed scores of people in Donora, PA. Those deaths, together with the thousands that died in the London, England "Great Smog" spurred the first laws, and as studies continued to show health and environmental impacts of air pollutiion, the laws were expanded.

When you start with your level of ignorance about environmental regulation it is virtually impossible to have a constructive conversation.

KB

WM: I thought I was perfectly clear. "Cap and Trade legislation failed because there is no way on God's green earth that the American people would put up with it." My argument is that significant restrictions on greenhouse emissions aren't going to happen.

I am opposed to such policies for the general reason that policy should aim at something that can actually be done. I also think you are flat wrong in your cost benefit analysis. Precisely if the AGW thesis is correct, only very severe reductions in greenhouse emissions would do any good. Even the U.S. somehow had the political will to impose such reductions, that would only result in a shift of production to other countries. In point of fact, the costs of climate change under any reasonable calculation is simply much lower than the cost of preventing climate change.

Finally, I think that the short run solutions are often as bad or worse for the environment than the problems they are intended to solve. European nations that have heavily invested in wind power, for example, have not managed to reduce their carbon emissions.

Donald Pay

Let me point out that the EPA's action on this is in line with Supreme Court decisions on the responsibility of the federal government to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.

Jimi

I love it when people talk about what the U.S. should do about air pollution and Climate Change.

The United States was a leader from the begining on envirnmental regulations, and it will NEVER make a lick of difference what we do here in the U.S., because we are not the main problem.

Until you get Russia, China, and India on board....the EnviroPsyco's can go to hell.

There are two camps:

1.) The people who are making their idealistic decisions based on emotion, and haven't the slightest clue that there is a massive political machine trying to complete a long term, well thought out, aggressive agenda who's main purpose is to attack the Capitalist System and defeat it. They actually believe there is a grave threat.

2.) The people who are actively participating in the long term political agenda, but refuse to admit that it has nothing to do about Environmentalism, and everything to do with controlling behavior, and attacking the Capitalist System. They actually believe the U.S. is the problem on the planet, and believe if we are Europeanized somehow this will be better.

Donald....I think your in Camp #2, what do you think?

Donald Pay

I think, Jimi, you don't know what you are talking about. Anthropomorphic additions of carbon to the atmosphere has been noted since the beginning of industrialization. These are the important totals, since carbon additions accumulate i the atmosphere. The totals of cumulative energy-related CO2 emissions from 1900 to 2005 are as follows :

US : 30% of total cumulative emissions
EU: 23%
China 8%
Japan 4%
India 2%
Rest of the world 33%


A major problem on the planet is fossil fuel socialism, which is a problem in the United States and China. However, China is doing far more than the United States to address the issue. Some basic information:

China's fuel economy standards are much higher than the US CAFE standards.

China has a Top 1000 Company energy reduction goal that is significantly more stringent than the toughest standards proposed in the toughest US state (California). The US government has set no goals.

China devoted twice the real dollars in economic stimulus to green energy (four times when based on GDP).

On a per capita basis, China emits 60 percent of the carbon dioxide as the US.

Jimi

Donald,

"The US government has set no goals."

This is political rhetoric! Why do you think all the major industrial companies took their operations overseas. It didn't have anything to do with the regulatory environment did it?

CO2 is a "Minor" Greehouse gas, your side of the isle still has yet the scientific evidence to show the "Net" effect of Carbon Emsissions. Take the Major Greehouse Gases into account....you know a measure that actually matters...rather than attempting to play the political game of CO2 output.

CO2 output means nothing....and you can't prove otherwise...Period!


Donald Pay

Jimi,

The Supreme Court has already ruled---carbon dioxide needs to be regulated. The science is clear. There is no credible evidence on your side of the argument. Get over it.

Jimi

Donald,

It over yet pal!

"The Supreme Court will hear arguments most likely in March, with a ruling expected by the end of June. It will be the most important environmental case of the term, and the biggest since the Supreme Court’s ruling in 2007 that federal environmental officials can regulate greenhouse gas emissions."

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"The science is clear"

This is a absolute lie. You should be ashamed to take that minority position.

Donald Pay

I don't think you understand the significance of the case the Supreme Court is taking up.

http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20101212/ISSUE01/312129971

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