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Monday, January 03, 2011

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William

Unless one is taking the position that there is a fixed amount of wealth in the world and one person's gain is anothers loss, I don't see why tracking the percentages of who owns what is in any way a meaningful exercise.

George Mason

As Winston Churchill stated: "The problem with capitalism is the inequality of income, the problem with socialism is the equality of misery."

Donald Pay

The key here is that humans evolved within a society that was economically egalitarian, but had a merit-based hierarchy that depended on leadership traits that could use and coordinate the skills of a group of people to benefit the group, not themselves. Humans accepted leadership of others based on a stronger knowledge base or demonstrated abilities that lead to survival. The key was that no one in the group starved or went without necessary shelter from the elements. Leaders did not attempt to accrue for themselves a vast store of goods that set themselves apart from others.

William

Donald,

That may well be true, but that form of social organization doesn't scale well...

larry kurtz

In ecoscience the results you cited are of a trophic cascade: “Trophic cascades may also be important for understanding the effects of removing top predators from food webs, as humans have done in many places through hunting and fishing activities.”

In South Dakota, it could be said that the absence of Fortune 500 companies has allowed the number of mesopredators to emerge to eke out an existence within the parameters you have described and now we reap the result: social eutrophication.

“Often, the desired Trophic Index differs between stakeholders. Water-fowl enthusiasts (e.g. duck hunters) may want a lake to be eutrophic so that it will support a large population of waterfowl. Residents, on the other hand, may want the same lake to be oligotrophic, as this is more pleasant for swimming and boating. Natural Resource agencies are generally responsible for reconciling these conflicting uses and determining what a water body’s trophic index should be.”

Macaques have predators; humans have oligarchs.

Want a free market? Think Cuidad Juarez.

Jimi

Larry,

Rapid City is a prime example of what you speak. For many years a few people, names I don't wish to mention, controlled Rapid City with an Iron Fist. They prevented growth, prevented opportunity all in the name of maintaining power, and growing their own personal wealth.

I probably differ from you on the solution to that problem!

The focus and exposure to the decisions that prevented the large corporations and unique buisness from entering the area, including the regulatory envirnoment are the keys to turning that situation around.

Jimi

One problem South Dakota will always have though is it's Geographical Isolation. Cheap Labor is the only draw for new buisness.

Donald Pay

Finally, Jimi and I can agree on something. I knew a man who moved to Rapid City after a career with Raytheon. He came to Rapid City to start a small business that would manufacture military equipment. He wanted the best workers he could get, so he planned to pay them about double the going rate in Rapid in order to entice experienced workers from elsewhere to move to Rapid to train the rest of the work force. He was promised some government assistance to set up his business, but was told not to pay "California wages." The powers in Rapid City didn't want to have to start competing for workers with a company that was paying a living wage.

KB

Donald: I agree that the evidence points toward egalitarian social structures among our pre-agricultural ancestors. With no surplus to support an army, big men were limited by the fear their size inspired. It seems likely that early tribesmen were rather resistant to dominion by the big man.

The rest of your description sounds idyllic. I am sure some groups took good care of the weakest members, and that might have been the rule rather than the exception. Was it universal? I doubt it. I am very skeptical of your notion of leadership based on the good of the group. In hunter-gatherer societies, the best hunters tend to share liberally. That has a lot to do with the fact that sharing increased their status and status translated into more mating opportunities. Besides, there were no refrigerators.

At any rate, it seems very unlikely that human beings evolved to experience stress as a result of inequality. We experience stress as a result of losing. Let us suppose this situation: a tribe divides into two hostile factions, one without much distinction of rank among its members, and the other organized around a powerful and charismatic hero. There is a battle,the hero wins, and the egalitarians are exiled from the good lands. Who is likely to experience more stress: the followers of the victorious leader or the egalitarians who now get to live with less inequality? I expect its the former who will enjoy a little rush of serotonin.

larry kurtz

We call the gulch, "the Deadwood Triangle." Just try to leave and the crabs pull you back in.

Sound familiar?

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