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Thursday, October 14, 2010

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A.I.

You know KB, statements like the following make it difficult to engage in civil discourse:
"Our great pension program, social security, which we have pillaged for decades, is now going into the red."

You ignore the commission formed in the 80's to address long-term Social Security solvency. It was obvious then that the program would need to build up reserves to remain solvent when baby boomers began retiring. So reserves of some 2.5 trillion dollars were built up and invested in a special series of U.S. treasuries. You say the system is going into the "red" when in fact it is doing what was planned for years ago, it's drawing on reserves.

As for "pillaging", what exactly would be a better place to put the surplus money Social Security generated over the last quarter-plus century? I'll take financial instruments backed by the full faith and credit of the United States over Wall Street any day.

If you want to have a serious discussion of Social Security issues, start with facts. If you simply want to scare people with--harking to one of your earlier posts, "weaselly" talking points, keep doing what you're doing.

Miranda Flint

Reuters seems to have gotten the same talking points:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69E36L20101015

"Social Security faces increasing financial strains as the 77-million-strong baby boom generation retires. Social Security trustees said in August that the program's trust fund would be exhausted in 2037 and the program would only be able to pay out a portion of promised benefits."

Those Weasels! Don't they realize that the program is doing what it's supposed to be doing? And what about President Obama and Nancy Pelosi? Why are they writing checks to seniors? (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/10/obama-seeks-250-checks-for-seniors-/1) Back off, guys! The system is working!

On a more serious note, when Dr. Blanchard says we have "pillaged" social security, he makes the same point that Democrats like Al Gore have made when they have said that the government had often used money that was supposed to be set aside for social security, and used it to fund other programs.
Gore was so distressed by the idea of this "robbery" that he said, repeatedly, that he would put social security money in a lockbox.

Now, maybe Gore was wrong. Maybe Obama and Pelosi are too. But just now, it seems like the left and the right have the same talking points. Maybe there's a reason for that.

Donald Pay

Hey, why don't you stop being a hypocrite and propose gutting the South Dakota retirement system? You don't need any of that money, and it should be returned to the taxpayers, according to how long they lived in South Dakota. The fatted bureaucrats and professors should realize they get benefits that most of us don't.

Boy, that Roger Cohen doesn't know much. The Chinese have a retirement age, and about 20 percent have a pension. There is talk of raising the retirement age and equalizing it (men have a retirement age of 55, women 50). People can, of course, work longer. In China the children are expected to provide for their parent's retirement. Children can be sued if they don't provide an adequate retirement.

KB

A.I.: my friend I love you and salute you. I miss the days when you were a regular contributor to these pages. Like my friends Bill F. and Donald, you made it a more interesting read. Also you kept me honest, which takes some doing.

On this matter, however, I believe you are confused. No doubt you have seen my more recent post replying at length about the Social Security Trust Fund. I also think you have a very jaundiced view of public financing. You think that government securities, backed by "the full faith and credit of the United States" is more trustworthy than "Wall Street." I hate to break it to you (actually I love it), but all the real wealth comes from Wall Street and from Main Street. Money is only real if it represents something worth buying. The latter is produced by the private sector.

States invest their pension funds. They have to because they can't print money to cover their obligations. Ponder that for a while.

At any rate, the full faith and credit of the U.S. is worth something only as long as investors have faith in and give credit to the U.S. Nearly three trillion dollars in debt accrued over two years might not contribute to confidence. That was my point.

Miranda did what I thought of doing, but did not. She referred to Al Gore's "Lock box" argument. If Al Gore knew that Social Security was in trouble, I figure that anyone could see it.

Donald illustrates why restoring Social Security to solvency is so difficult. Anyone who points out that the system is going belly up is accused of wanting to destroy social security or "gut the South Dakota pension system." I think that anyone who wants to make sure that these systems survive has to confront the reality facing them.

There is no guarantee that we will fix the system. Look at Greece now. They can hope for someone to bail them out. If the U.S. goes insolvent,well, after us, the deluge. That was my point.

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