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Saturday, September 11, 2010

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Jaded Athesit

Post this syrupy drivel when your grandaughter is "betrothed" to one of the Islamic Saracens. I pity those as feckless as you.

George Mason

I think this is a well reasoned post that rises above the petty blather that is so much of what we get in the media promoted as political debate. It is also enlightening to compare the measured response of Ari Fleischer with what we witness today.
The Terry Jones story should never have become what it is today. The major media outlets and their friends in major politics exploited this for their own ends. They produced a major media driven controversy out of a small localized event. That being said there did not appear to be a national groundswell of support for Jones actions. Without the intervention of the media Terry Jones would have been lucky to attract 50 people to his little bonfire. The only coverage would have been some subterranean rumblings from the WEB.

KB

Thanks, George. I think you identify the right culprit. If the media had ignored this clown, the Administration would not have had to make a decision. You are certainly right that there was no "groundswell of support" for Jones. I read somewhere that he actually lost half of his own congregation.

But just look at the comment above by Jaded Athesit [sic]. It can type!

dhmosquito

Thanks for the post, Ken. I wish the media would devise a "clown detector" and ignore the Jones-like events. BTW, some administration spokespersons are not so measured/mature in their responses to contemporary events. Witness Kathleen Sebelius. Evidently health insurance companies are not accorded free speech as this administration has seen fit to prohibit them from blaming premium increases on "obamacare". This, in spite of the fact that additional benefits are mandated immediately. Remember, Stephanie Herseth Sandlin has no plans to repeal "obamacare". cheers chuck

Donald Pay

Hitchens is a great journalist, by which I mean, he usually checks facts and puts them in the right context. Even if you don't agree with his opinion on matters, you can usually trust the factual content of his pieces. Krugman and Rich were writing several years distant from the original Fleischer comments, and they didn't understand the context of the remarks. What probably happened is that some intern dug up a few quotes which were going to be used to introduce or drive home a particular point. This happens a lot with top level bloviators. It's a little disappointing, though, when Krugman does it, because he ought to know better.

Still, KB, you seem to be committing the same sin. Much of Krugman's piece didn't have that much to do with Fleischer's comment, and was about events in 2004. That he used Fleischer's comment without knowing the context is unfortunate, but one mistake doesn't mean the opinion should be automatically disregarded.

KB

Donald: you are very forgiving when it comes to people on the left. Neither Rich nor Krugman deserve it. Did either of them acknowledge their error or apologize for it? Not as far as I can tell.

Over the last year Krugman has shown a breath-taking lack of honesty in his columns. He accused Republicans of living "in a different universe, both morally and intellectually" because John Kyl argued that unemployment benefits might depress the employment rate. Yet Krugman made exactly that same point in his own economics textbook. Krugman accused Republicans of encouraging violence, yet the kind of language he pointed out was commonly used by Democrats as well as by himself. In the past Krugman warned about the United States following the Japanese example. Now, suddenly, the Japanese example is precisely a model for us to follow. Krugman spins like a top. He is either lost his reason, or has abandoned any concern with honesty, or both.

Donald Pay

The effect of unemployment benefits vary according to the level of unemployment in the country or region, the time period of unemployment (both at the individual and societal level), the amount of time individuals unemployed have spent in a particular field prior to being unemployed, the potential for retraining, the amount of savings available to the unemployed, the level of hiring in the economy in general and in particular fields in specific, etc.. The major problem with texts, as you probably know, is they are a mile wide and about two millimeters deep. Anyone who depends on intro college level textbooks for anything but a cursory understanding of a field are in deep, deep trouble, and anyone who thinks a statement in such a text is gospel is a fool.

KB

Donald: Krugman could have said that John Kyl and the Republican party in general misapplied his principle in opposing the extension of unemployment benefits in this situation. I am skeptical, but maybe a case could be made for that. Instead, he said that the Republicans were in a different moral and intellectual universe from Democrats. They were, in other words, stupid and morally bad for reasoning just as he himself had reasoned when writing his text. That is blatant dishonesty.

Krugman is a two-bit hack. He has given up any claim to be taken seriously, as I have demonstrated in my posts.

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