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Wednesday, September 29, 2010

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Donald Pay

Well, no, politics this year isn't local, but it doesn't have much to do with President Obama. It has to do with the corporate special interests, who manufactured the astroturf Tea Party Movement to give their greed a little grassroots patina. Add to that a Supreme Court decision that gave predominance to corporations while taking away rights from humans. Add in the collapse of any pretense at governance in the Republican Party in order to gain political advantage.

Normally these astroturf efforts fool the less sophisticated voter, and gin up the misdirected anger of the goofy right, and that's what they've done this year. But let's not pretend it's Obama.

duggersd

Donald, it has everything to do with Obama. People are not turning to the Republicans because they like them so much. They are turning to the Republicans because they are not Democrats, much like it was in 2006 & 2008. It has nothing to do with corporate interests. As a matter of fact, who is more in like with corporate interests than Obama himself who has nationalized 2/3 of the American auto industry? And who is in bed with the big insurance companies, forcing the smaller health insurance companies out of the business? We have seen what the policies of President Obama are and we have seen the rubber stamp of the Democrat controlled Congress that has given Obama so many victories. People are seeing it and are scared. Your guy Russ Feingold had to be shamed into going to a rally at the last minute that Obama was at. Don't tell me Feingold does not think Obama is toxic.
The TEA party is not a bunch of astroturf people. It is real Americans who are tired of seeing their country being led down a path it may never recover from. Right now, the Republicans are their best hope. However if the Republicans do not do what the TEA party is getting them elected to do, they will be on their way out. Then you can be happy again.

Donald Pay

duggersd: Feigold has called your theory "a lie."

Feingold said he would at the rally if the Senate schedule permitted it. The Seante had scheduled votes that made it impossible for Feingold to fly back to Wisconsin in time to attend the rally. It turned out the Senate votes came earlier than scheduled, so he was able to make the flight back. Unlike a lot of Republican politicians, Feingold does not cut votes to attend lobbyist functions, corporate golf outings or political rallies. He believes the duty of a Senator is to represent the people of his state, rather than attend to special interests or attend rallies. Feingold has missed only one vote in his eighteen year career, and still visits every county in the state every year.

At any rate he attended the rally and gave a good, but short speech.

The Tea Party is a corporate-funded entity. It has some grassroots, but the leaders are all paid by Washington-based corporate lobbying interests. The grassroots people are being badly misled by the corporatists.

duggersd

Believe what you will. Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

Bill Fleming

Pay is right, duggerSD. You're the one drinking the TeaParty® KoolAid®, I fear.
We are rapidly (and perhaps inexorably) becoming a Corporatocracy.

Better wake up and smell the Starbucks®, teach.

KB

Guys! We are all friends here. Why can't we all get along? I am afraid, Donald, that Dugger has the better argument. Democrats all over the map have been running away from Obama. It isn't the "corporatocracy" that is the problem. Blaming that is denial. Obama and the Democrats did what they did. The people are about to pass judgment. Welcome to Democracy.

Bill Fleming

KB, don't you mean ThePeople,Inc®? ;^)

George Mason

Gentlemen; The only Special Interests influencing and effecting the political climate this fall are the political campaigns of a significant number of democrats who are running away from Obama as fast as they can (has any one heard SHS mention the O word). Obama is the issue, and he made himself the issue. The American people were willing to give him a chance despite his total lack of real world experience and the fact that he had never held a position of responsibility in his life. His incompetence was revealed early on as he abdicate any responsibility for his stimulus to the congress. Today his narcissism, arrogance and condescension are further alienating the American people. Now we have the Rolling Stone revealing that Obama wants to become "whiner in chief" as well ("Fox News is mean to me"). The American people expect better and they are willing to make the change so that they have some hope.

Bill Fleming

George, did you vote for Obama? KB? DuggerSD?

I get a real kick out of you guys saying how "disappointed" you are.
Come on. I thought this was a "thinking man's" blog over here.

Who are you guys trying to kid?

KB

I never claimed to be disappointed. Quite the opposite. I am entertained by incompetence, especially on the other side.

George Mason

Bill old buddy. I did not vote for Obama and Obama delivered exactly what I expected. Some of us took a close look at Obama before he was elected and actually thought about the consequences.

Donald Pay

Principal funders of the Tea Party group in Wisconsin and in about a third of the states is Americans For Prosperity. This is an oil industry funded group. The Tea Party is not a grassroots organization here in Wisconsin, though their are some local affiliates that have eschewed the Koch money and remained somewhat independent.

In Wisconsin AFP organized and funded the very first Tea Party tax day event, and all subsequent events purported to be put on by the Tea Party. AFP pays right wing media to promote and cover their events. The Tea Party is an astroturf movement, totally dominated by the corporate elitists.

You can read about Americans for Prosperity here:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity

duggersd

Bill, no I did not vote for Obama. And where have I ever said I am disappointed in him? Unlike KB, I am not entertained by incompetence especially when the people in charge are driving our economy into the ditch and do not have brains enough to turn the wheel over to some competent people. Instead they think they have all of the answers and keep getting it deeper and deeper into the mud.
Go ahead and tell us that the people from the TEA party are astroturfed groups. Keep it up. You will find come election day you laughed at them at the peril of your candidates.
Donald, every time the TEA party gets slammed it turns out the slam is not true. First it was racist. Not true. Then homophobe. Not true. Now it is an astroturf organization. Again, not true, opinion of a left wing "source" notwithstanding. It is the Democrats and liberal organizations that bring out the astroturf crowds and then they project those onto their opponents. Take the log out of your own eye first.

Donald Pay

The "incompetents" left the building in January 2009, and are now trying to sneak back by ginning up one false issue after another through their myriad astro-turf organizations.

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