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Friday, September 03, 2010

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Bill Fleming

This odd flirtation with Populism and Direct Democracy from the right fascinates me. Completely antithetical to their usual platform, but anything to get votes, I suppose. Looks like now even one of their brilliant professors has been suckered into it. (Just tweakin' ya, KB.)

If this were really a good idea, the SDGOP would be supporting BT Marking.

donCoyote

"The country often has had the wisdom to choose graciousness and reconciliation over triumphalism, as is plain from the many monuments to Confederate soldiers in northern states, including the battlefield at Gettysburg."

The first Confederate memorial at Gettysburg wasn't installed until 50 years after the battle a much greater time span than the 9 years that we now face with 9/11. It was the Greek dramatist Menander who wrote "Time is the healer of all necessary evils." I would hope that American Muslims would be cognizant of this.

Also as you walk among the graves at Gettysburg look for the graves of Confederate soldiers. This is an exercise in futility as there are none. Not one. All the Confederate dead were buried in mass graves on the fields of Gettysburg until the mothers, wives and daughters of the Confederacy were allowed to repatriate the dead and give them an honorable burial in Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond Virginia. So much for graciousness and reconciliation on behalf of the Union.

Donald Pay

This is kinda funny. Eugene Robinson takes a righty talking point, turns it around on them, and then the righties take issue.

William

What's funny is, the Left appears to believe that by telling the American people that we're too stupid to appreciate the greatness of our ruling elite, so we should just shut up and vote for them, is a winning strategy for the upcoming elections.

Donald Pay

The problem, William, is the right still hasn't figured out that the corporate and financial bigwigs are the ruling elite. When you figure that out, we'll talk.

William

That's where I think you're stuck in the 1960s Donald, it's the Democrat Party that's become beholden to the big bucks from the "too big to fail" corporations, the big money from corrupt(and bankrupt) unions, the "race and minority industry" defined by the Al Sharpton / Jesse Jackson style of extortion in the name of "victim-hood", advocating "rights" for felons and illegal aliens and in general appearing to feel there are no economic consequences for the anything they want to do! Well that, and the fact they appear to believe that as a ruling "elite" that Americans in general are too stupid to take care of themselves and they really, really NEED to have the self-anointed elite make all of their decisions for them.

The Democratic Party actually lost the American public a long time ago. They just took advantage of a national distaste for the policies and protracted wars of a liberal Republican (GW) to gain a (temporary) majority in "the wheels of government". Now that the American public has seen "Democrats Gone Wild" for the past few years, they're ready to "change the channel".

The general public has ALWAYS been somewhat "center-right". The Obama Presidency, along with the Pelosi House / Reid Senate majorities has emphatically reminded them of how totally out of touch the Democrat party truly is.

The New York Times is still trying to tell us how "successful" the Democrats have been in passing their legislation. The New York Times and the current Democrat Leadership doesn't appear to realize that what they consider "success" are seen as massive failures by the public at-large.

Donald Pay

Nonsense, William. You're stuck in "trickle down land." And, yes, the corporatist Democrats have followed the Republicans into that cesspool, but the way out isn't to keep shoveling money at the rich and powerful. Let's remember it's the Republicans who don't want to take apart the big financial institutions, and who want to beat working people down so they can't stand up to the powerful. So, once you figure out just who the powerful elite is in this country, we'll talk.

Miranda

Donald: Are you claiming that the the Democrats are powerless or that they are not elite?

KB

Bill: I, for one, do not conflate Democracy with populism. The above examples of liberal rhetoric were not directed against populists (see Glenn Beck) but against the majority of New Yorkers in the one case and the majority of Americans in the other.

Donald: If you are right, then clearly we are doomed. Yet you seem to prefer plutocrat Democrats to plutocrat Republicans. Why? Isn't it clear that the Illuminati will be in control no matter what?

George Mason

A few observations: The NYT, Bloomberg, the left in general is incapable of understanding the reasons the majority objects to the building of the "Cordoba center" close to the site of the World Trade Center. Perhaps it is because they remember the universal outrage expressed by muslims to the acts committed on September 11, 2001. In particular they recall the condemnation of the perpetrators of those acts by the cleric who will oversee this mosque. And, of course these people are well aware of why it is called the Cordoba project and why it is so important that it be built as close as possible to the World Trade Center site.
It is certainly encouraging that liberals have suddenly discovered that within the First Amendment lies "The congress shall make no law prohibiting the free practice of religion." Perhaps while they are investigating muslim triumphalism they can also search out the plight of the St. Nicholas congregation and work up some righteous outrage about that.
The people behind the mosque have the right to build where they want. The people of New York are entitled to be upset about it in the same manner liberals are every Christmas when someone erects a creche where people can actually see it.

KB

Great posts! GM: your comparison to those who object to the Mosque with those who object to Christian displays on public property is brilliant. I hope you don't mind, but I intend to steal it.

George Mason

KB; That's what these posts are for.

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