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Thursday, July 01, 2010

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BillW

Hence Mark Twain's observation that there are three kinds of lies - Lies, Damn lies and Statistics

caheidelberger

Don't generalize to all statistics, Bill W. There are useful stats, and there are bogus stats. Our challenge is to discern them.

And discern them Kos does! I had my doubts on the even-odd thesis at first, but the original article and the analysis of variance is persuasive.

On the birther poll: are you sure that was an R2K poll? I recall making some noise about a March Harris poll, which found 57% of Republicans thinking President Obama is a Muslim and which was found subsuequently to suffer from sloppy wording. Is there another such poll by R2K to which you refer?

(background: http://madvilletimes.blogspot.com/2010/03/tea-bag-protest-fueled-by-hatred-and.html)

A.I.

Does this mean you will stop quoting Rasmussen, create-a-positive-Republican-narrative, robo-call polls as though they are worth more than a pitcher of warm spit?

KB

A.I.: I don't know what you have against Rasmussen, except that you don't like the results. In fact, Rasmussen rates about as well as Gallup. Sorry.

Cory: I am sure lots of polls focused on this question. Here is a link focusing on an R2K/Daily KOS poll. http://volokh.com/2010/06/30/possible-data-fraud-in-research-2000-polls-commissioned-by-the-daily-kos/

KB

ps. Just out of curiosity, I went back and checked the 2008 results. Rasmussen's last poll was 52/46 Obama v. McCain. The actual results were 53/46. Right on target.

But right now you don't need Rasmussen to "create a positive Republican narrative". Check out Gallup.

William

I find it difficult to believe that Markos Moulitsas wasn't aware of the huge disparity in "his numbers" and that of, essentially, everyone else.

He was aware of this disparity for over a year and a half, wrote numerous article based upon these polls and also wrote a book!

Now, that the revelation that Research 2000 "pulled their numbers from where they sit", he's going to "go public" with this "revelation" to try and distance himself from them.

Will he retract everything he's written based on these polls? Not a chance...

The well is already poisoned and Markos is just trying to salvage his "brand".

The "Big Lie" is already established and will have to be refuted, time and time again...

KB

William: I do not find it difficult at all. I didn't see the problem until someone pointed it out. I have no trouble understanding why it's anomalous, I just am not trained to look for it. Remember how The New Republic got scammed by Steven Glass?

I am no big fan of Moulitsas, but it looks like he acted honestly enough on this one.

William

Perhaps I'm too quick in judging his motives, but given the disparity of R2000 polls against most others and his reliance on their results in his writings, I certainly find it difficult to sympathize with him. I certainly thought R2000's polling results were "funny" for quite some time.

KB

I won't argue with you on that one. I am just not sure I wouldn't have fallen for the same scam if it had been pulled on me. I confess that I like the Rasmussen polls in large part because they show what I want to see. I hope I am reasonable enough to see through a scam, if I am subject to one. But I am sympathetic in this case to the Daily KOS.

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