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Wednesday, November 11, 2009

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William

KB,

It matters far more than our current President will ever understand...

Miranda

Before I added my own voice to the recent objections to Obama's absence, I thought I'd have a look at his schedule. As it turns out, his schedule was not very full, but it might offer some clue as to why he was not in Berlin. According to his schedule (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/11/president_obama_official_sched_164.html):

He met with senior advisors, signed an executive order regarding the employment of veterans, and then met with Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Perhaps the president did not want to offend Prime Minister Netanyahu by skipping out on their meeting to go to Germany. If that was his reasoning, his move might be a little more excusable, although he should have timed his appointments better. If not, it's just another embarrassment.

Erik

I think that '89 is put an end to the long 20th century that started in 1914, with the last and most barbaric of Europe's Civil Wars, surpassing the bloodshed of the Protestant-Catholic struggle in the 17th century. "The War to end all Wars" did no such thing and the fall of the Berlin Wall was at the end. To paraphrase an old saw, the Soviets paid in Blood, the British provided the Time, and the United States provided the equipment with our Arsenal of Democracy. So, we can say that '89 was the end result of FDR, Churchill, De Gaulle, and Stalin's great victory. To them and the peoples they represented, we owe a great debt of gratitude.

KB

Miranda: you are right that, in all fairness to the President, he might have thought that meeting the Israeli PM was more important than celebrating a moment in history, on a "that was then, this is now" sort of calculation. But I note that the President treated Mr. Netanyahu pretty much like he treats all of our allies, which is to say, poorly. I also note that the 20th anniversary of 1989 has been coming for, well, twenty years. He might have considered that when he laid out his agenda.

Erik: You see the history as I do. I liked that bit about blood, time, and equipment. But I would point out that a lot of Soviet blood was repayment for the pact with Hitler, and that a lot of British and American blood was invested in the enterprise.

Miranda

Dr. Blanchard:
Agreed on all accounts - and I rather suspect Netanyahu would have understood if the president had asked to postpone the meeting.

Erik

KB:
I would only add that Stalin appeased Hitler in (almost) the same way as the British and French did in Munich. Actually, the Soviets were ready to fight in 38 but of course the Red Army had to pass through Poland and, well you know the history of Russo-Polish relations.....

KB

Erik: the result of allied attempts at appeasement and Stalin's pact were the same, and I suppose that is what matters. The psychology was probably very different. The allies appeased Hitler out of a liberal faith that there is always some sort of peaceful accommodation possible between nations. Stalin made his pact out of the hope that two mega-tyrants could split the world between them.

But were the Russians really ready to fight in 38? They didn't seem at all ready when the Germans invaded. And if Stalin had been ready in 38, would Poland really have stopped him? I am just raising questions here, and not so much taking issue with your account.

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