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Monday, June 22, 2009

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Erik

KB:
As a person who served his country as an AmeriCorps VISTA and has lived in Chicago, your post has a lot of resonance. I think, that your reasoning is flawed, in assuming, that Obama is part of the "Chicago Machine." If you look at this record, he really isn't. If I recall correctly, he did run against Bobby Rush in the Democratic Primary and was thumped pretty badly. Can you please elaborate on your thesis that Obama is bringing Windy City machine politics to DC. Don't most cities have their own form of machine politics? What makes Chicago any worse or any different, than say Atlanta's machine politics?
Oh, and you forgot to mention that KJ was a helluva shooter ;-) (joking)
Erik

Miranda

I particularly liked the "friends and assets" line.
I also agree that many members of congress would be gone if we fired anyone who was confused or disoriented. Joe Biden would also be gone.

George Mason

Again we witness the liberal harmony in the media. When Bill Clinton fired every
federal prosecuter( because some were looking into the sleaze of Arkansas politics and the financial manipulations of FOB's for Bills benefit) the media yawned and proclaimed it was the Presidents prerogative. When George Bush let a handful go due to lassitude it was a "major scandal." Now that Obama is President
strong arm tactics and political protection rackets are quite accetable.

Erik

Mr. Mason,
Please refresh my memory, which federal prosecutors did Bill Clinton fire because they were looking into "the sleaze" of Arkansas politics. In the case of Bush the Younger, federal prosecutors were fired because they did not take orders from the political wing (ie Karl Rove) of the White House. Thus, the federal prosecutors were ousted for partisan reasons. Don't you agree that it was a mistake for Bush the Younger to do that?
Respectfully,
Erik

A.I.

I've read that the AmeriCorps, bipartisan board unanimously initiated/recommended the Walpin dismissal and the White House subsequently took action and that it was the board that raised the confused and disoriented issue.

Speaking of confused, I'm not understanding what good it would do to fire Walpin for suspending Johnson long after the deed was done. Was Walpin supposed to un-suspend Johnson after he had left the job, or is this supposed to be some sort of retribution to warn off others that might pick on an Obama friend?

KB

Erik: The Clinton Administration had its own firing scandal early on, concerning career White House staff. It was a minor scandal, but a real one. As for the Federal Prosecutors, they serve at the President's pleasure, but if he fired them for partisan reasons that was something the press should have gone after. It did, with a vengeance. Firing someone because he went after a buddy is no less partisan, but the Press seems a lot less interested.

As for machine politics, I agree that most cities have them in some form or another. But some are stronger and more corrupt than others, and Chicago is notorious. If Barack Obama had not been part of the machine, he would not have enjoyed his rise to power.

A.I., I refer you to my comment about happy accidents. The Administration tried to get Mr. Walpin to resign without a fuss, thus doing an end run around the law. When he didn't, surprise, surprise, reasons for his dismissal magically appeared. If it looks like a duck,and waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. This looks, waddles, and quacks like a machine firing.

There are obvious reasons for firing Mr. Walpin "after the deed is done." An inspector general who doesn't know that he is not supposed to go after friends of Barack is removed from office. A message is sent to other inspector generals that they will tow the line or else, as you yourself supply.

Erik

KB:
Ah yes, the firing of the travel staff in '93 by Clinton(s). I had forgotten about that. I see your point, but it was indeed a minor scandal. I think we have to "agree" to disagree about Chicago machine politics. Or if Obama is even part of that machine.
Erik

A.I.

And my question becomes, would a bipartisan board unanimously say they had instigated the dismissal process. I hardly think the Republicans on the board are part of the "machine" and I doubt the Democrats are either.

KB

A.I.: then Obama really does have that magic. Maybe he stuck a pin in a voodoo doll of Mr. Walpin.

A.I.

Magic?

Erik

KB:
I don't believe in "magic." How do you explain Mark Sandford's downfall? The GOP is rapidly shrinking....
Erik

Erik

A.I.,
KB refered to Obama's "magic"? See previous post.
Erik

KB

Erik: If the President tried to strong arm Mr. Walpin into resigning (he did) and when Mr. Walpin refused, reasons spontaneously arose for doing what the President wanted to do, then it is either sheer coincidence or magic. I read the Harry Potter novels, I know about these things. If this sort of thing had happened when Dubya was in charge, I'd have figured that Dubya and his people figured out a way to get what they wanted. No coincidence. No magic. I figure the same thing here.

I am surprised that you think there is no Chicago machine. Or perhaps we are talking past one another. City machines ain't what they used to be. That's a good thing. But Illinois in general, and Chicago in particular, still stand out as relatively corrupt systems. Am I wrong? Everything about Obama's Illinois career makes it look like he was part of the system. His send off by William Ayers, his support from the Dalys, the housing project scandal he was part of, all this looks like sweet home Chicago to me.

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