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Saturday, June 27, 2009


Gary Rossbach

I think the bill is totally insane, and the initial estimates of costs to taxpayers has been incredibly underestimated. Corporations won't pay the taxes - those will ultimately be paid by consumers, compounding the cost of this bill. Higher prices will drive down consumpition. Furthermore, the increas to state energy budgets and thus state income taxes was never accounted for in the estimates. Not to mention the fact that our economy is going to pay a huge price in terms of lower sales due to higher costs, and lost jobs as a result. Who thought of this and why was it passed? Why did any industry support it - what are the payoffs and how much pork is buried in the fine print? It is an outrage!
Gary Rossbach
in Colorado

Joseph Fechter

People voted for Obama because they wanted change (I did not though).
Hopefully however,Obama will continue to put his foot in his mouth,this
crazy cap and trade stuff will go away and he will not be re-elected.
Not too mention the health care joke.....all of this crap is tied together.
George Bush doesn't seem so bad now!


You are right, Gary Rossbach! The passage of the economy-killing bill is an outrage. I had the same questions you have and here’s what I found:

Who thought of such outrageous bill?

“Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program He Is Now Pushing Through Congress” … “While on the board of a Chicago-based charity, Barack Obama helped fund a carbon trading exchange that will likely play a critical role in the cap-and-trade carbon reduction program he is now trying to push through Congress as president.” http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9629

Why was it passed?

Because Obama and his accomplices want this bill passed to further empower and enrich themselves and to force government control (Marxism) on us. They lied, manipulated, intimidated and bribed the opposition to force them to support this bill. For example, Obama tried to bribe LA Republican for vote on Cap & Trade. http://digg.com/politics/Obama_tries_to_bribe_LA_Republican_for_vote_on_Cap_Trade

Why did any industry support it?

Some because they are also looking to profit from the scam at our expense and others because they were bribed, offered special deals.

General Electric (GE), for example supported first Obama’s presidential campaign and now Obama’s cap-and-trade scam bombarding us with daily propaganda -- through its NBC networks, that includes MSNBC and CNBC. Why? Because GE stands to make BILLIONS from the scam at our expense. Not only is GE the largest wind turbine generator maker, but it may benefit as the sole “secondary market” trader of the cap-and-trade credits.


Through lies, manipulation, intimidation and bribes, Obama’s jobs killing, economy killing bill passed through the House!

Yes, Joseph Fechter, cap and trade is related to the socialized health care scheme because they are both means to impose Marxism on us. Obama’s Cap and trade is another giant step towards Marxism — and the corruption, poverty, enslavement, destruction and despair that Marxism entails.

Obama is working much faster than Hugo Chavez at destroying the economy and imposing Marxism. No wonder the Russians are gloating:

From Pravda: “…the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people…” http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-american_capitalism-0

We are NOT hapless sheeple! We must do whatever is necessary to defend ourselves and our children from the Marxist dictatorship that’s being set up in Washington.


I find myself in the curious position of taking issue with persons who apparently agree with me on the subject of the post. As to the merits:

Mr. Rossbach: the ACES bill is not at all insane. It may be, as I argued, incoherent. But that is because of a collision between irreconcilable strategies and practical realities. Sane people can hold irreconcilable ideas, and deceive themselves about facts.

AS: The bill may be bad, but there is no evidence that the President is pushing it for any other reason than that he believes in it. Contrary to the suggestion in your link, offering to support a Republican for reelection is not a bribe. It is perfectly acceptable politics. If the Democrats get this bill into law, it is because they did it the old fashioned way: they earned it.

As to style:

It is a bad practice to try to refute a policy by making the worst possible interpretation of the motives of the backers. It weakens your case, rather than strengthening it. It is also unhelpful to talk about Marxism and enslavement. If this bill passes, it will be because enough elected representatives in both houses supported it. That is the very opposite of enslavement. It is democracy.

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