I managed to generate a bit of conversation with the enlightened minds at the NVB. I addressed some questions to them [see below] concerning a post of Saturday Feb. 12th, and they seemed to think that this act was profoundly insulting. For example, I asked "I voted Republican, as I expect my fellows here at South Dakota Politics did. Do you really believe that we are Nazis for doing so? " This comment, by Val, appeared on the blog.
How the phrase "the Republicans need a fuehrer" is contorted into
calling someone "a Nazi for voting differently" is a marvel of
inference. For one thing, "fuehrer" was spelled with a lower-case "f".
One need not be from Germany or even Eureka to know that, as the
dictionary states, a "fuehrer" is a leader, especially one who
exercises the power of a tyrant. German rulers liked to think of
themselves as a fuehrer, and that is why Hitler named himself "Der
Fuehrer." The word designates a domineering, controlling leader, not a
Nazi, unless one wants to impose that meaning on the word in some way.
In point of fact, fuehrer just means leader. It has come to be "especially" associated with tyrant only because of its use by Hitler. Everyone knows that this is the weight of the word in contemporary discourse. So if Republicans are called nazis (lower case) rather than Nazis, this doesn't make much difference. And we have much reason to think that it means the same thing. I googled "Hitler Bush Comparison" and got over a half a million hits. When I just googled "Hitler Bush" I got almost a million and a half. All that I had time to check out amounted to calling Bush a Hitler, and Republicans Nazis.
It may be, as the respondents of the NVB says, that I have distorted the comments in the original post. That is one of the reasons for raising such questions. Teach me, oh you amazing folk, as Socrates was wont to say. If I have misunderstood you, set me straight. So I am willing to accept Val's word that NVB did not mean to imply that Republicans are Nazis. Isn't that progress?
I don't see why Val is so resistant to the idea that SDPolitics and NVB can converse with one another. Val says
Insulting, deprecating, and defamatory aspersions are hardly invitations to "conversation."
Maybe not. But in this case they started one. I still cannot understand what was so insulting, deprecating, and defamatory" about my list of questions. I found almost nothing in my questions that can be so interpreted. I did use the term "witless blogger," but I borrowed that from the NVB post itself. I also used the phrase "adolescent pout," but surely that's a pretty mild aspersion.
Consider by contrast the words used in the original post. Republicans are accused of bullying, of dull repetition, of political shysterism, of character assassination, of hate-chants, of corrosive lies, deceptions, and defamations. Now maybe all this is true, but surely this language is depreciating and defamatory. Why are these words not "maliciously scurrilous," as my comments were taken to have been?
A couple of final comments. I don't know David Newquist well, as I said, but I once had a conversation with him concerning Jazz, and especially about Bill Evans . I am much inclined to like someone who shares my taste in these things. I would like to believe that if we met again we could still have such conversations, or even talk about politics. No doubt we would have much to disagree about. But we also might have something to teach one another. If I am still not "listening respectfully," show me how.
Lastly, Val explains the anonymity of the NVB bloggers this way:
Early in the blog's history, names of contributors were listed. They
were removed after children of some contributors took phone calls with
threatening and abusive messages. That is why many people have
concluded that profitable political debate is no longer possible.
Let us both agree that the behavior describe is absolutely inexcusable, and resolve not to associate with people who engage in it on our own sides. But am I allowed to point out, without being maliciously scurrilous, that it is not my side alone that is guilty? One Republican office had a window shot out during the recent election. In Ohio, people who put up Bush signs found obscenities drawn with weed killer in their yards. On the eve of the election, a fleet of vans rented to transport Republicans voters to the polls had their tires slashed. Rather than using these facts to close off debate let us begin by agreeing that we deplore them.
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