I am with Ann Althouse. This debate was annoying. The constant interuptions from Biden and the moderator made this almost unwatchable. This may be the classic case that depending on how you got the debate radically effects how you thought it went. If you just heard the debate, I think Biden won on points. If you saw the debate, Biden was such a horse's ass that I can't believe it went over well. I have some support for this view. When David Gregory and Piers Morgan think you are acting like a jerk, it's a sign that you may be acting like a jerk. Apparently CNN had trackers and at least early on Biden, while I think winning on substance, was tracking low, I assume because he was so obnoxious in his body language. I was watching CSPAN, so if someone knows otherwise please comment. I guess I agree with Althouse:
That debate was so annoying! Some of the CNN commentators are talking about how Biden did what he came to do, to fire up the Democrats. "This was not for the independents," says Van Jones. Okay, well, but independents were watching, and Biden was horribly rude. He created this disturbing atmosphere of anxiety.
Update: OK, I can't figure out how to unblock this text. For what it's worth, the Frank Luntz focus group on Fox News I think gives a narrow win to Biden (I didn't see him ask the question, so I am getting this from the tenor of the conversation). But the preponderance of opinion (but not universal) is that Biden was also a jerk. I wonder if this is like Gore in the first and third debates in 2000. Gore won those debates based on command of material, but his body language and sighing was so obnoxious that he got little benefit, in fact probably lost ground. No one in Luntz's focus group of undecideds definately decided whom to vote for tonight. Also, Frank Luntz is wearing a suit that is about three sizes too small. I feel bad for the buttons on his suit coat.
Update 2: Apparently the CNN panel thinks that Ryan won on style, vindicating my take. I should say I think it is a draw, but that Biden being a jerk probably cost him a clear win. OK, I am now watching CNN and their instant poll has Ryan winning, 48-44, so as I just typed (I swear I typed it before I saw the poll) the people are split. That seems about right to me. (I got the CNNpoll wrong. It was 48-44 Ryan.)
Update 3: BTW, I am watching CNN because Sarah Palin is coming on Fox and as a political commentator she has very nice hair.
Update 4: More Twitter feed on Biden's smirking.
Update 5: From Charles W. Cooke's Twitter feed:"From what I can see: CNN Focus Group has Ryan 33-33 Biden; CNN Poll is 48-44; CNBC Poll is 56-36; CBS poll is 31-50. Correct?"
Update 6: By the way, is Joe Biden really under the impression that Syria has more land mass than Libya?
Update 7: Andrew Sullivan calls it for Biden.
Update 8: Peter Robinson think Biden was a jerk, but that because he was more aggressive that equals a win.
Update 9: CNN: 21% more likely to vote for Biden. 28% say Romney. 50% say neither. 1% said mularky.
Update 10: In other news, Orioles up 2-1 in 13th. Internal Update: Orioles win.
Update 11: For the love of Pete, on Fox they are talking to...Paul Ryan's nephew who looks like he's about 10.
Update 12: Rove says that Biden brought energy, but why did it take the #2 guy to do that? I take that to say Biden won. He says Ryan was more substantive, which is a concession that Ryan got pushed around.